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[livejournal.com profile] sumeragiskank is visiting me, so I have not been on-line much. I tried to make some time to work on the new penal-tea update which should go up sometime tomorrow and we're still arguing about the fanart contest. ^o^

I also got to see [livejournal.com profile] kosquarepelli and I would highly recommend checking out her amazing piccies of WK/PoT. I'm sure no one is surprised to know I adore the way Omi/Yuuta looks.

My mother made me a new hat. It's pink and pretty, and so girly. I hope to share pictures of it soon.

Anyway, I'm now friended to [livejournal.com profile] delfeus, [livejournal.com profile] fujis, [livejournal.com profile] reynardine, and [livejournal.com profile] ryoma_sama. *waves* I added [livejournal.com profile] delfeus cause I was so amused by her response to a recent post to [livejournal.com profile] tenipuri_yaoi.

Anyway, said post and the fact that I'm just a pain in the butt sometimes, has prompted this rant....



I started watching PoT in June 2002, at that time, I did not know really anything about the series or knew anyone else who was watching it. From relatively early one, I became a MomoRyo fangirl *shock, yes I know, everyone just thinks of me as Fujicest, but I started with MomoRyo* but I had no other pairing I shipped. From the start, I did not *SEE ANY TEZUFUJI* cause you know what, it's not there! It's so *SUBTLE* you need to be on crack to see evidence for it. It was completely created by fangirls who wanted to see pretty tennis boys fuck. Now, I have nothing against this, I feel that way about SengokuxMizuki and my new favorite Tezuka pairing, which I ship rather hard. (And *SHOCK* he is seme!) But there is *NO EVIDENCE* for TezuFuji, Tezuka and Fuji don't even GET ALONG WELL! And please, no whining from TezuFuji fans about how they're being oppressed. That is just so sad and pathetic, cause your fricking pairing is among the most popular pairings in the English fandom, so please get a life. I've mostly held my tongue, but I decided after a recent post to [livejournal.com profile] tenipuri_yaoi and the fact I was feeling bitchy, that I was not going to be completely silent anymore.

Not only is TezuFuji a crack pairing that has no evidence, makes no sense in the context of the series, and just completely sucks... But I wish TezuFuji fans could spend a few seconds to think about what they're saying and engage their brains. (Which I know is a challenge for some of them.) I mean, I hate TezuFuji, and so, *shock* I do not write it. I do not try drawing it. If you do not like a pairing, don't draw it and then denigrate the pairing. I mean really, didn't your families teach you any manners or at the very least some common sense or courtesy. Also, while I'm on this, Tezufuji fans seem to think they're some sort of born-again Christian sect, and need to constantly share their devotion to the pairing. Leaving a comment on a fic, that has nothing to do with Tezuka or Fuji, on how much you love TezuFuji makes you look brain dead. Think about this in the future.



And cause I'm still feeeling bitchy...



Yes, there is evidence for MizukiYuuta, I'm not going to pretend there isn't. But if you're going to claim it's true love, and Mizuki really cares about Yuuta, I have to ask you, did you watch episode 36??????? I mean, I'm not even going to go into the manga, where Mizuki SAYS "It was really easy to manipulate the stupid younger brother who only thought about his older brother." since most English speaking fangirls seem to ignore the manga. Mizuki does not try to get Yuuta to join St. Rudy's for Yuuta' "best" interest. Mizuki *MANIPULATES* a naive 12 year old boy because he can. Mizuki *TEACHES* Yuuta a tennis move that could *SERIOUSLY* INJURE him and does not *CARE* so long as the team wins! He does not WARN Yuuta of the dangers and let Yuuta decide, noooooooooo, he just takes advantage of a 12 year old boy. It's an abuse of power and trust. Mizuki *IS* the most evil character we see in PoT. While Keigo might try to ruin Tezuka's arm, Tezuka is not on Keigo's *TEAM.* Keigo does NOT have a responsibility to look after Tezuka's best interests. Keigo is also not practically 2 years older than Tezuka. (And yes, the age difference between Mizuki and Yuuta is almost that large.) Yuuta does not show any sort of interest, romantic or otherwise, in Mizuki, after he loses to Ryoma. Yuuta seems horrified, in the anime-only part of 40, where Mizuki promises to help Yuuta train, and in 71, Yuuta leaves Mizuki and Yanagisawa's company to seek out Ryoma *AS SOON AS THEY SEE THE OTHER BOYS*

As for Yuuta being seme to Mizuki....

All I have to say is, you enjoy your nice little crack, I have no idea where you found it, but you're on crack.



And these rants were brought to you by the letters X, Q and Y

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Date: 2004-01-17 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chocolate_chip.livejournal.com
*sends Rachel hugs for the rant*

*sends more hugs to help make up for the yucky icky replies*

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Date: 2004-01-17 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rafterpeace.livejournal.com
yucky icky
hahaha, you're either six or a valley girl of the worst kind. And if you think those replies were all bad and evil, I wouldn't watch Snowwhite just yet...SPOILER...SPOILER....SPOILER
because the witch is *gasp* a big bad meanie.

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Date: 2004-01-17 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mateem.livejournal.com
And you, my dear moron, should take that steel beam out of your ass. You'll find life more comfortable. Really. Once you get a life, that is.

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Date: 2004-01-18 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rafterpeace.livejournal.com
Once you get a life, that is.
If I were you, I'd watch some more Jery Springer. Have a feeling even they've already evolved past that little one liner you use.

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Date: 2004-01-18 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mateem.livejournal.com
No thanks. Somehow, watching trailer trash rip thier clothes off and scream at each other so they can get the attention does not sound very productive. Unlike you, I have better uses of my time. I only bothered with you beacuse Emilychan is my sister. Mess with her, mess with me.

Have a nice day.

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Date: 2004-01-17 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chocolate_chip.livejournal.com
Okay, you know what? That comment wasn't written for you. But since you feel the need to butt in, I'll explain a few things. If you were Rachel (which you're not), you would know that she is for some reason the unfortunate magnet for those (like you, apparently) who seem to feel that people don't have the right to say whatever they want in their LJs. I was merely trying to express to her my condolences that in a post in which she lets off some steam about her two least favorite couples, she has to deal with the very thing that she hates. It seems like every time Rachel expresses an opinion, she is bombarded by either bitches telling her she's wrong, or poor little fangirls whining about their hurt feelings, or in this case, both. And then, as if it's not enough that she's fate's flame-magnet, Rachel also has to deal with people who feel the need to step in and criticize completely unrelated things for no reason whatsoever. I know that if it were me, I would find the whole situation very stressful, and that is why I sent hugs. If I had been aware that my hugs were being monitored by the self-appointed maturity police, I would have made sure to use nice big words just for you. Or maybe not, since I find the fact that you bothered to comment highly amusing. At any rate, I'd suggest getting a more productive hobby than making random personal attacks in people's LiveJournals. I certainly wish I had as much free time as you seem to.

Rachel, I'm so sorry about that little thing earlier. LiveJournal kept acting like my response wasn't going through. I hope I didn't spam your e-mail too badly. ^^;;;

I'm just trying to think this through.

Date: 2004-01-17 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rubyd.livejournal.com
since you feel the need to butt in...
I do, apologies. From a not-so-third-party who doesn't watch much Prince of Tennis (so I'm reading this out of fandom-context) rkold's post came across as surprisingly hateful. I'd like a few examples at least, as to what caused the little rant.

she is for some reason the unfortunate magnet
bombarded by bitches telling her she's wrong
...Okay.

suggest getting a more productive hobby than making random personal attacks
re: "If you do not like a pairing, don't draw it and then denigrate the pairing...." yet "Not only is TezuFuji a crack pairing that has no evidence, makes no sense in the context of the series, and just completely sucks... "
And I'm sure "TezuFuji fans could spend a few seconds to think about what they're saying and engage their brains. (Which I know is a challenge for some of them.)" isn't a random personal attack. No. ;)

Re: I'm just trying to think this through.

Date: 2004-01-17 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chocolate_chip.livejournal.com
I'd like a few examples at least, as to what caused the little rant.

I shouldn't have to give you examples of what triggered the rant. If you want to know, read Rachel's journal. Read the entry you are responding to, for instance. Frankly, I'm surprised that so many people find Rachel's words to be "surprisingly hateful" (though it may have something to do with the fact that hardly any of them are taking the time to learn where she's coming from). It seems like a typical rant to me. I've certainly seen worse within this fandom. People usually aren't polite when they're ranting. People tend to make sweeping generalizations. That why it's called a rant. Of course, you're free to think that Rachel is a big meanie; no one is requiring you to like her. Just as no one required you to read her entry.

"If you do not like a pairing, don't draw it and then denigrate the pairing...." yet "Not only is TezuFuji a crack pairing that has no evidence, makes no sense in the context of the series, and just completely sucks... "
And I'm sure "TezuFuji fans could spend a few seconds to think about what they're saying and engage their brains. (Which I know is a challenge for some of them.)" isn't a random personal attack. No.


Correct. Those aren't personal attacks. The operative word is "personal", which means "directed at one particular person". The first two aren't even attacks, but opinions, and Rachel has every right to state them. The third, while admittedly harsh, is a general comment, and though Rachel may be stereotyping Tezuka/Fuji fans (and keep in mind that this is a rant), she's clearly not attacking anyone in particular. Furthermore, as this is her personal journal, she has the right to say whatever she wants here, regardless of who might be offended by it. She also put it behind a cut that made the subject matter pretty obvious, so there's no one who read it that didn't go looking for it.

However, when a random person comes into Rachel's journal with no provocation and calls me, and only me, a six-year-old valley girl, that is an unwarranted personal attack. And therefore, they get the pointy end of my bitch stick.

I hope this clears some things up for you.

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Date: 2004-01-17 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rubyd.livejournal.com
Er, I'm sorry if I have made you angry.

I did try finding references - although I probably didn't look hard enough - and didn't stumble over a thread that could shed light. Though I suppose lack of stuff (art, fanfics, discussion, etc) for someone's favored pairing might be rage-inducing. The appropriate thread might have scrolled off since there is a dozen or so posts a day.

Yes, you were personally insulted by that person up there. There's no question about that.

Though the original rant wasn't a personal attack, it is still an attack as you've said. Calling someone a six year-old valley girl and directly calling a group of fans stupid are both not exactly stellar things. What I'm trying to get at is, if rafterpeace is in the wrong, can't rkold's comments also be held accountable - at least, partially?

Personal attacks are easier to defend against; sweeping stereotypes on a group, are a little more difficult. There are likely an amount of people who somehow fit in some small way into rkold's generalizations, but there are still many coherent reasonable individuals who just simply find enjoyment in a particular pairing or anime or book or movie or genre.

Say if you were a fan of Prince of Tennis (which I've assumed you are). And someone, rather harshly, and cleary ranting to vent some pent-up aggression, calls you - the fans - idiots, and that the show is nothing but tennis and oh dear God how can you even work slash into something so innocent as tennis? Or, to see slash in this series at all goes against the creator's wishes, because if it didn't, he would have drawn them in that way? Why, the only canon relationship is Sakuno and Ryoma, they would say, and the show is boring and has no real plot.

Things you might have seen before, surfing through the internet. It could make a fangirl's blood boil. ("Tennis Ball Z" as I've heard it being called, though rather affectionately.)

I understand that I am intruding upon another person's journal. And I don't belong. But I wanted to say I disagree on her assessment.

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Date: 2004-01-18 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rkold.livejournal.com
The difference me and rafterpeace is this is my personal livejournal, and I should be allowed to give my opinions in my personal livejournal. I did not go to a TezuFuji fan's livejournal and rant at them about their pairing.

I'm not upset I don't have Fujicest stuff because I have a lot. I have more than I probably should. ^^;;; The post that set me off was a bit like the straw that broke the camel's back. If you are curious, it can be found on [livejournal.com profile] tenipuri_yaoi. Generally, if a picture or fanfic is labeled TezuFuji, I just ignore it and do not read or look at it. I only looked at said picture as the LJ cut said cute Fujicest picture. Had I known they were going to insult it, I would not have looked. I chose to rant on my LJ and not on the community as it seemed inappropriate and I assumed my personal LJ was my personal LJ.

If someone wants to rant in their LJ or blog about how much they hate Fujicest, good for them. I won't read it or respond, and we're both happy.

Yes, I was bitchy, but I can be in my LJ. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to read what I write.

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Date: 2004-01-18 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arc-chan.livejournal.com
Er, I'm sorry if I have made you angry.

Why are you apologizing? You've made these persons' day by giving them something else to expel venom over.

I had thought since this was my livejournal that I could say whatever I wanted in it. I put my rants under LJ cuts and sort of assumed people who are not on my friends list who I do not know at all would not read them.

An interesting assumption, unless you make your journal friends-only. You might consider it. Yes, this is your journal and you're free to say whatever you want, but if people can find your rants (as I and others obviously have) and are able to make comments on them, you should accept that as we should accept your rants. You can remove this possibility if you want, and ensure that the only comments you see are supportive and/or obsequious.

Those aren't personal attacks. The operative word is "personal", which means "directed at one particular person"

Actually, a personal attack is one that is aimed at character ("...engage their brains. (Which I know is a challenge for some of them.)") rather than an objective subject ("...TezuFuji a crack pairing that has no evidence, makes no sense in the context of the series, and just completely sucks"). I can aim a personal attack at an entire fandom, without knowing or caring about anyone's names. Also note that my use of the word "objective" rather tongue-in-cheek. I find that particular statement of Rachel's incredibly amusing.

In case you're wondering why I'm responding to this, when I'm very clearly not on Rachel's friend list, it's because I'm a big fan of TeniPuri, and I think it's sad that some of the most public fans of the series are so negative and cliquish. But once again, people who make inflammatory comments like "just completely sucks" in public (yes dear, even behind the Impenetrable Wall of Cut it's still public) desire the "flames" they get in return.

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Date: 2004-01-18 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chocolate_chip.livejournal.com
No, I'm not angry. The Massive Headache From Hell made my first response to you bitchier than it had reason to be, though I did try to keep myself under control.

I can definitely say that the problem that sets people off on anti-ZukaFuji rants is not a LACK of stuff, but that there is FAR TOO MUCH of it. You can't go 5 minutes in the TeniPuri fandom without running into ZukaFuji, which is utterly ridiculous, considering that until episode 115 of the anime, there were absolutely no hints for the pairing. I hope you can see how dealing with this day after day can make even the most mild-mannered fangirl snap from time to time.

I guess it is a difference of opinion, but I do not see a problem with attacking general groups of people, provided said people are in said group by choice. Perhaps it's because, as a Christian, I belong to one of the most frequently and publicly attacked groups around, and I've just grown to consider it as the type of annoying crap that happens when you affiliate yourself with other people. Conversely, you of course have every right to disagree with her, though I hope that you would do so respectfully, as this is her journal, and you came here looking for this rant.

However! Don't you dare say that Ryoma/Sakuno approaches anything near canon status! *giggles* And if you think the slash goes against Konomi's wishes, you really need to see and read more. *shoves the manga and anime at Dian*

Mmm, Snake Juice.

Date: 2004-01-18 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rubyd.livejournal.com
And if you think the slash goes against Konomi's wishes, you really need to see and read more. *shoves the manga and anime at Dian*

Um um um o___o;;; Maybe you misunderstood, but I already do fully support slash and yaoi in PoT. :D Though if I were asked, InuiKai would be my OTP for this series.

Re: Mmm, Snake Juice.

Date: 2004-01-18 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chocolate_chip.livejournal.com
That may be the case, as it is..... 5:15 am. *bangs head on desk*

*also luvs the InuKai*

Re: I'm just trying to think this through.

Date: 2004-01-18 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rkold.livejournal.com
What caused this rant, as I stated at the beginning, was someone who drew a cute Fujicest picture and then promptly denigrated the pairing right under it. I had thought since this was my livejournal that I could say whatever I wanted in it. I put my rants under LJ cuts and sort of assumed people who are not on my friends list who I do not know at all would not read them.

I didn't write a TezuFuji fic and then say it was awful, Fujicest is best! in the author's notes.

In all honesty, I'm not a 100% sure why you're reading my livejournal and while I know this a horrible thing to say, people who find my rants offensive don't have to read them.

Re: I'm just trying to think this through.

Date: 2004-01-18 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rubyd.livejournal.com
I read your journal because I saw a link and was curious, not because I've friended you.

As for the thread in question, my apologies, I had thought it was too mellow to be the suspect in question, and your later response near the bottom didn't comment on your offense. I guessed wrong.

It is a cute picture, though. :3

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Date: 2004-01-18 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rafterpeace.livejournal.com
This is still the INTERnet, honey. When you write something publicly people are going to read and comment. I know Prince of tennis only as the anime with the samurai-tennisplayer and have no idea (and don't care) who Mizuki is. Still, if you insult people for liking him or whoever else on the public thing called internet, I can't really feel sorry for the stressful time she gets.

I certainly wish I had as much free time as you seem to.
Don't worry about that, your reply was a lot longer than mine. I'd say you have plenty.

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Date: 2004-01-17 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jangmi.livejournal.com
And who the hell are you? O_o

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