OK this is so not cool

[rkold]

I just had a post deleted from DoA for no apparent reason. o_O

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All I did was bump and say that I hope Marsh gets her head soon. People commiserate and bump other threads about people trying to get their paid for items from sellers and I didn't say anything nasty about the seller in question, just that I hope Marsh soon gets her head. O_o

EDIT: And now Gina's post has been deleted too o_O

Comments

[blacktempest.livejournal.com]

o_O I guess all the posts deemed "unnecessary" in that thread were deleted.

I can understand how you feel, once when people outside the US asked to see photos of the LA one-offs and I put them up, my post was deleted. o__O

[akari-sama.livejournal.com]

Because of the massive amounts of wank and ummm, publicity? (Words are failing me, I hope you know what I mean.) of this particular situation, I think they're trying to keep the thread as simple as possible. Facts only and that kinda thing.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

It just seems odd that is is that thread only.
this thread (http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45256&page=5) seems to have plenty of chatter in it. ^^;;

Neither Gina nor I said anything disparaging about the seller in question, we just hoped Marsh received her head. ^^;;;

And while this seller might be otherwise reliable, 3 weeks is a long time to wait for a finished item to be shipped. ^^;;;

[rkold.livejournal.com]

To be honest, I don't care about the wank and I don't care about what is going on outside of the thread in non-doll relatedness.

To me, someone who I am friends with paid for a head 3 weeks ago. As of today, despite promises the head was being sent Fri, Sat, and Mon, the head still has not been sent. I'm concerned this is going to get brushed under the rug and my friend will never receive her head or her money back.

I must admit I would not want to buy from soneone who could not get out my items in a timely fashion. ^^;;

[blacktempest.livejournal.com]

I know what you mean. I believe it does state in the rules that you're not supposed to chat on feedback threads. I think the reason why your friend's thread is being especially monitored is because several mods are friends with the seller.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

So that means it's O.K. for the seller to not send out an item and take someone's money. o_O;

I think it's sort of depressing if there really is a such a double standard as that. ^^;;

[blacktempest.livejournal.com]

Let's hope that's not the case, I'm sure everyone is hoping the seller stops flaking out and sends your friend her head :\

But I definitely understand how a lot of people on the board don't want to report their bad dealings when it's a popular board member. I've been waiting on a dolly package for nearly a month now from a mod.. -__-

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I bought an item from a very reliable seller on DoA. They offered to send it registered and I declined. Usually packages from them to me take about a week. I waited one week, then two, then three, then more. I guess I am sotr of naive at times, and figured it was lost in the mail. Fortunately, my story has a happy ending. 5 weeks later after giving up all hope, my items arrived and the post mark was 5 weeks old, so I was glad I hadn't posted anything.

But I just find it a bit unfair. I mean I can understand them not wanting people to badmouth an innocent person, but I think we should be allowed to offer support politely, and it seems unfair it is allowed on some threads and not others. ^^;;;

I think something ought to be done as it seems like there are bad transactions than there use to be. I confess, once someone pays me, I try to get out their item ASAP cause it is there.

I guess a lot of people never learned one of the lessons my Dad taught me about the importance in having respect and valuing yourself.

[cc-lemon.livejournal.com]

Thank you SO much for the continued support. This situation is making me physically ill. I feel targeted and very disappointed that the mods are not only editing my thread, they have so far failed to PM me about it or respond to any of my PMs to them. It's very clear that certain parties are bulletproof, which is sad. The feedback forum is supposed to be a fair place for everyone and it is clearly not.

*hugs you* You've been a very steadfast friend in all this.

[twotone]

I get the impression that DoA is trying to cut down on chatter in various areas... they're not able to monitor all threads at all times, but they seem to be "cleaning up" threads as they see them. It sucks to have a simple supportive post deleted, but I can understand how they want to limit their liability and any drama-fodder by keeping everything to just communications between the people involved in the sale.

There must be unknown drama going on.

[ginarolo.livejournal.com]

Hopefully the seller will come through.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I understand wanting to clean things up, particularly like the news threads which get bloated with posts of "Wow, I love xxx" I really like that change A LOT.

It just can be a little frustrating when you just want to wish someone luck with their item.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

Thanks Judy, you are so great. I am so lucky you're my friend. *hugs*

Re: There must be unknown drama going on.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I really really hope so, or at the very least Marsh can get her money back. ^^;

[nikita2471.livejournal.com]

Actually, only one mod is friends with the seller and she's staying out of the situation.

There was a warning from a mod before I posted my support.

[ginarolo.livejournal.com]

So I guess that thread has to be buyer and seller only. Unless a person has first hand info. I wanted to show support for Marsh but also bump up the post to get attention.

[cc-lemon.livejournal.com]

Thanks for your response. I appreciate it. I've modded large forums before -- well over 200 members -- so I know how difficult a job it is. At this point I have nothing more to say, will just wait for what was promised and update the forum on the final outcome.

I've learned a few things this week, the most important one being that a good friend who'll support you even when it's not the popular or beloved thing to do is worth much more than a piece of resin.

Rachel, Gina and all the others who've helped me out are the best.

[aimeekitty.livejournal.com]

honestly... that's not the case at all. we just happened to be aware of this thread. I'm not even aware that "several of the mods" are friends with the seller. Honestly. I dont even know the seller at all. :( I'm sorry that you guys felt singled out, we weren't intending that. We're not on the side of the buyer or the seller.

[seaster.livejournal.com]

The messages are there again... Guess they got undeleted. I thought it was reeeaaally weird that the mods wanted to keep that thread nice and clean, while two of the other threads in that forum are now 100+ comments with lots of people "not involved in the transaction". Selective moderating is scary. o.o;

[rkold.livejournal.com]

Ummm well most of the threads with bad sellers also have chatter in them. ^^;;

Earlier, when my friend Rose had some issues, I posted in her thread to bump it by simply saying "I hope Rose gets her doll" as well.

I haven't said anything really negative about the seller in question, (about the worst is, "if I had waited 2 weeks for an item I had paid for, I too would be rather upset and I think most people would be.") because it's not my place, but I confess it is a bit disconcerting to have a post deleted within 5 minutes of posting it, when there are similar posts in other threads.

I don't know the seller or who her friends are. However, someone will feel singled out if umm they sort of are. ^^;; If one bad feedback thread is monitored so closely that within 5 minutes of a post, it is deleted, but other threads aren't even read at all. It makes one feel singled out.

I'm sure as mods you all know things we don't, but perhaps whoever deleted my post could have PMed me, or even better, PMed Marsh, to better explain things.

I am not saying you were the one who did this Aimee, or that you are involved in any way, as I don't think of the mods as a single monolithic presence. DoA has a lot of mods and it would be silly to expect them all to agree with one another all the time.

[aimeekitty.livejournal.com]

what I'm saying though, is, that because this thread was getting heated, it was being monitored. (ie that moderators get a "notice" when the thread recieves a post.). Other threads that you are talking about (I'm not aware of any specific ones) but unless we are aware of them, we wouldnt recieve notice of them, and thus wouldnt be monitoring it at close. If that makes sense, so it is simply because we are aware of the thread, and not becuase Marsh is somehow particular.

and we have been pming Marsh...

[rkold.livejournal.com]

When I last spoke to Marsh, she was not in contact with any of the mods. This was also more than a day ago, since it is Passover, and I have been very busy with RL things that take precident. ^^;;

I'm really glad to know though that the mods and Marsh are all talking with one another now. :) I am sure it is likely to help the situation improve and hopefully everything will work out. Marsh will receive her head and the problems with the seller will prove to still be reliable.

Ahhhhhh, see non-mods do not necessarily know that is the procedure. I truly think a little more communication in this situation would have helped a lot. ^^;; I know I wouldn't have posted in my LJ if a mod had PMed me when my post was deleted. ^^;

BTW out of curiosity how does one report a thread which ought to be monitored in the future? There was a FCS thread a while ago that got a little out of hand. ^^;

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I was really surprised to see the thread back, with all comments. I don't think I would have looked if you hadn't said something lol

I could understand the deletion of the bit of flaming between dragonfly and nepherim, because it was completely unnecessary, and unrelated to DoA, as well as all the posts that connected to it.

I was just very o_O over my very innocuous post.

[aimeekitty.livejournal.com]

The thing is that we just can't pm a person everytime we delete a post, we just don't have time to do that. I understand and appreciate what you are saying, though.

The report a post/thread feature is the little red and white triangle:
http://denofangels.com/forums/images/buttons/report.gif
It's right under a user's avatar when they post. If you think that a thread is going the wrong direction, then you can use that. It will notify _all_ the moderators of the thread, and we'll bring it up for discussion in the mod den if nessesary, and/or take action on the thread if we agree that it's a problem.

you can also use it to report things that aren't "bad" though, they could just be two threads in need of merging, or a thread that's in the wrong forum.

I do hope that Marsh gets her head, but we can't help with that. :(

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I do understand that it is impossible to PM everyone when a post gets deleted, as I am sure that happens often enough. An earlier post of mine was deleted from this thread, but I could understand why, because it was in response to some off-topic and rather fiery remarks, and so it didn't bother me at all.

But in this particular case, it just was very disconcerting, as I have seen so many people make similar comments wishing someone well.

Thank you for the information on alerting mods to threads as well as advice on merging/moving threads. I appreciate it. :)

I also appreciate you taking the time to read my LJ and respond to comments. :)

[blacktempest.livejournal.com]

I had heard differently by Aie, but I know the reason now. ^^